2002

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November/December 
The Other Boleyn Girl
Philippa Gregory
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October 
The Secret Agent
Joseph Conrad
Discussion recapped by Melissa K

We had a great meeting the night we discussed The Secret Agent. In attendance were: Helen, Fran, Susan T, Anne-Marie, Laura, and Susan K with her lovely guest from London which was perfect since that's where the book is set. After the meeting, I re-read the Author's Note and discovered Conrad did say the story was really that of Winnie Verloc, the wife of the secret agent, whose brother dies in the explosion followed by her suicide. He wrote the story back from that point. While reading the book, I had forgotten this fact entirely and became engrossed in the story at hand.

As we discussed during the meeting, Winnie was very present throughout the book, but it was surprising to find at the end of the book that it was really about her -- her story, struggling from the time she was a girl with an abusive father, a girl ever protective of her somehow mentally deficient brother Stevie. She married to take care of Stevie, more than anything else, and the book group even discussed the possibility that he was actually Winnie's son somehow, but most did not agree and some even felt this was a huge stretch from the text that mentioned over and over again that he was her brother. Though not everyone had read the Author's Note stating that this is Winnie's story, many of agreed Winnie was the best-developed character, and she is in the middle of it all -- related to all the characters, keeping all the balls in the air -- which makes sense if it is, indeed, her story.

Overall, the group liked Conrad's writing, enjoying the vivid (but not overboard) detail. We talked about how his final sentences to paragraphs have a way of sticking with you, being very to the point. One thing that stood out for most of us is that everyone in the book is either very fat or very thin. We liked the fact the author became a character, and was the outsider, writing about the inside experience of the characters -- for example when Stevie was with the cab driver and the horse and the author explains to us how Stevie reacts and how he feels. Group members wondered "why don't we write like this anymore?", and we talked about how motion pictures have changed writing -- writers don't say what they can't show anymore, don't have to describe how people feel because they can show it in a movie. Another example of writing like in the past is Hemingway, who makes us feel things by showing them to us, like in the (example) sentence "Joe said he wouldn't do it and Alex hit him in the nose" -- he shows us how Alex feels and makes us figure out Alex was upset with Joe. Also, Conrad's sentences are long - but not too long -- a happy medium between Hemingway and authors from earlier eras. We felt that all the characters were relatively well developed, but it was almost like we the readers had to develop them.

Though we liked Conrad's writing, most of us found it difficult to read. It was agreed by most of us that we had to read it all at once because if you leave it, you lose it -- we could not leave the book mid-way coming back to it later or we had to go back and re-read much of what we had previously read. One meeting attendee said she definitely was not planning to read another Conrad book anytime soon. Everyone seemed to be glad they had read the book, but none of us was actually chomping at the bit to read another book by him right away.

Other discussion points of note were:

* Verloc, the Secret Agent named in the title, was depressed and very fatalistic. He didn't care about anything, didn't seem to really feel anything, and was childish - though due to the nature of his work, he had to be controlled and not get emotionally caught up so his lack of emoting was understandable as was his fatalism.

* The shop Verloc ran was a porno shop! This was not said outright in the book, but it was implied.

* Some of us were surprised the book didn't seem very quaint or British, which we had expected it to be.

* It is not entirely clear who Verloc was doing his work for -- was he "protecting or extorting the rich? What country did he represent? Was it trying to maintain isolationism?

* Civil rights were already being enforced in London at the turn of the century, the time of the book (published in 1907) and this is why spies and radicals were there - they could be, safely.

* Some of us knew Ossipon would leave Winnie, others didn't expect it for sure -- the book seemed to end sort of abruptly after having taken a while to wind down the road toward the end.

* We discussed the five types of spies and which character fit which spy type, which was as follows:
1. Criminals/near criminals: Ossipon
2. Police agents: Verloc
3. Defenders of Propaganda: forget his name at the moment and didn't write it down...
4. Fanatics: The Professor
5. Perfect Beings: Michaelis, or "That Michaelis"

Anyone up for The Heart of Darkness in January? ; )


 
 

 

September 
The Stranger
Albert Camus 
Discussion recapped by Helen

Attendees: Ann (hostess), Anne-Marie, Helen, Rachel (Rachel's been on the list as a lurker for some time but hasn't had time to finish most books so has been hesitant to come to a meeting)., Betsy (Betsy, a classmate of Helen, has been thinking about joining the club for a while but may have a conflict on Wednesday nights.)

Where was everyone? It can't be because the book was too long. Perhaps, trying to emulate Mersault, everyone else decided that they could come to the meeting or not come and it didn't really matter. Or maybe the two hour premiere of West Wing won out. (Get those VCRs working.) Or maybe, it was just a busy night.

At any rate, the small but spirited group had a lively discussion.

Some of the topics we discussed included:
- Did Camus really think that it doesn't really matter? Should we all be like Mersault because it really doesn't matter or was Camus trying to turn us away from indifference?
- What was Camus' position on organized religion -- recall the final scene with the priest in the prison? (And for those of you who read The Plague, the portrayal of the priest in that book.)
- What about the trial? OK, so Mersault did commit murder, but why did it matter whether he cried at his mother's funeral or not?
- And why did he go back on the beach in the first place and then pull the trigger five times?
- What exactly was it that Mersault figured out at the end and why did he want a great crowd at the execution who hated or detested him (depending on your translation)?
- L'Etranger was published in 1942. What, if anything, was Camus trying to tell us about World War II, especially given his role as a member of the French Resistance?

There was lots more but I wasn't taking notes or thinking about a summary.

There was general agreement that the book was very powerfully written. We ended up reading several passages out loud and listening to how much he was able to convey with only a few words. Ann Marie read the Gilbert Stuart translation, the rest of us Matthew Ward. We all thought that the one we had read was better and wished we had a copy in French so that we could have attempted to come up with our own interpretation of what Camus really meant.

Ann Marie was part way through The Plague and Helen had read it so it was only mentioned briefly. If you interpret it as an allegory about war,Camus' views are quite clear. Also his thoughts about organized religion. It also begins with people who go about their lives in a pretty carefree and indifferent way until they are struck by the reality of the plague. If you compare the two novels, you can certainly find some recurring themes.


 
 

 

August 
Black, White and Jewish: Autobiography of a Shifting Self 
Rebecca Walker 
Discussion recapped by Fran

Thanks to all who wended their ways to my new place and graciously admired it. Present were Helen, Anne-Marie, Susan K, Melissa M, Ann, and Susan T. Susan, alas, read The Group for August, not Black White & Jewish, but hung in there regardless.

Mixed reviews on BW&J. All of us were very interested in the perspective on Alice Walker as a parent who would think it was a good idea to enter into a custody arrangement that required her child to be uprooted from coast to coast every two years. We also found some of Rebecca's insights and experiences with racial issues moving, but ultimately, concluded that Rebecca's perspective was immature. Adolescent angst touched off different reactions ranging from boredom to distrust to impatience and irritation, but none of us was particularly sympathetic. There was less consensus on the question of whether the book was well-written or not. One member thought it was sloppy and found grammar errors, others thought it well-written and very expressive.


 
 

 

July 
The Fig Eater
Jody Shields 
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June
A Fine Balance
Rohinton Mistry
Discussion recapped by Fran

Last night's meeting at Anne-Marie's was attended by Anne-Marie, Fran, Laura, Susan K, Ann B, and Helen. We discussed A Fine Balance by Rohinton Mistry, which Christina had suggested.

There was an unusually strong consensus in the group that this was a terrific book - gripping, powerful, and very well-written. Although the characters were obviously intended to serve as metaphors for various principles ('mother India' 'new India' 'the old ways') each was fully realized and believable. (The only one who came in for some criticism was Dina - there was some feeling expressed that she wasn't as real or believable as the others.) The complex plot was clear and well-organized; all of the story's many threads were beautiful in their own right but made a wonderful pattern as a whole (like Dina's quilt).

A large part of our discussion was devoted to figuring out what drove Maneck to kill himself (for those of you who haven't finished the book, I hope this revelation doesn't ruin it for you - several commented if they'd known the book was going to end this way, they wouldn't have kept reading). Anne-Marie diagnosed him as a "maneck" depressive (her pun - don't blame me). What tipped him over the edge? He was the character he seemed to have the most going for him in terms of youth, opportunity, education, even relative wealth, but on the other hand, compared to the other characters seemed to have more tenuous connections to people he cared about - he was an only child, he felt alienated by his parents, particularly his father, his only college friend abandoned him (first by becoming consumed in politics, then by committing suicide), and then he chose to give up the camaraderie with Dina and the tailors for a career as a refrigerator mechanic in Dubai (not even writing a letter to any of them for 8 years, telling Dina that it seemed "pointless"). Characters who suffered far worse privations, mutilations, you name it, managed to survive while Maneck could not.

I found this book almost unbearably painful to read - frankly, I think I prefer not to know that the world can be such an unrelentingly horrific place to live in for literally millions of people. The others in our group are stronger-minded than I, however, and want to face reality, as harsh as it can be (and I don't think it can get much harsher than this). We all agreed, however, that it was an odd choice by Oprah -- unless you consider this book "uplifting" in a very perverse way (something about the unquenchability of the human spirit...?).

Other books about India that were recommended include Desirable Daughters (Anne-Marie's recommendation) and A Suitable Boy, by Vikram Seth (mine).


 
 

 

May
The Summer Before Dark
Doris Lessing
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April
The Moviegoer
Walker Percy
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March
An Unofficial Rose
Iris Murdoch
Discussion recapped by Fran
The group met at Christina's home to discuss Fran's selection of An Unofficial Rose, by Iris Murdoch. Besides Fran and Christina, present were Anne-Marie, Clare, Helen, Laura O, Melissa K. and Susan T. (an excellent turnout especially considering that the book was hard to find—thanks everyone for your persistence!)

The major criticism of the book was the lack of characters who were either admirable or likeable. Everyone was particularly frustrated with Ann, the "rose," for her lack of gumption (no one used that word but I think that was the tenor of the complaint). People did not praise Murdoch's writing as much as I'd hoped. I find her hilariously funny. My reading aloud certain passages I considered priceless did not appear to change this view, alas. Melissa K. shared some information about Murdoch's work and her (strong) reputation as a philosopher and scholar. The group seemed disappointed—the general consensus being that either she didn't have much to say of importance in her novels, or didn't say it well. Me, I still find interesting what she has to say about the tension between romance and love, choices, and responsibility. Perhaps it comes from being a lawyer, but her technique of presenting arguments on both sides through her characters is something I really enjoy.

Since the meeting, I've finished Elegy for Iris (I was about 20% through when the group met), finished Jackson's Dilemma (her final novel), read "A Fairly Honourable Defeat" (which I found COMPLETELY HILARIOUS) and almost finished "Iris and Her Friends" (her husband's second memoir about her and their marriage). I wish I had recommended "Defeat" to the group rather than "Rose." For one, it did have at least one character I found admirable and I think others would have agreed (Tallis, the rejected husband). Rather than having all of the characters a mixture of positive and negative, in this novel Murdoch lines them up, good versus bad. (Bad wins—or sort of.) The machinations are worthy of a "Days of our Lives" plotline (but as if written by Tolstoy)—fake love letters planted in secret compartments, etc. That said, I will admit it seems to be typical of her novels that the characters are frustrating. In that sense, however, if nothing else they are "real."
 

 
 

 

February
A Prayer for Owen Meany
John Irving
Discussion recapped by Fran
Last night's meeting was attended by me (Fran), Susan K (our host), Susan T, Melissa K, Clare, and Anne-Marie.  I facilitated the discussion of "A Prayer For Owen Meany."

Very possibly due to the fact I began the discussion by noting that some of the members had recently mentioned to me their discomfort with the extremely harsh criticism that has been leveled at their book choices, the comments about Owen Meany were generally favorable. My suggestion is that we do not censor, limit or tone down or criticisms, but make sure that in our zeal to rip something apart, we don't forget to look for things we can (genuinely) praise.

In keeping with this spirit, I asked everyone to go around the room and tell me one thing they liked about the book, and everyone did VERY well, I am pleased to report, except perhaps for Anne-Marie, who managed to work in a few criticisms (she was probably afraid she wouldn't get the chance to air them later on) about the book bogging down in detail 4/5 of the way through, and preaching too much (viewed positively, I think she meant that the book had the right amount of detail at the beginning).  Clare liked the nativity scene.  Melissa liked the way none of the loose ends were left hanging. Susan K. liked the structure—that the story was not told as a straightforward narrative (first this happened, and then this, and then this).  We differed on which of the characters were developed and "real"—I felt that Johnny's mother was not "real" but most disagreed with me, pointing to her sympathy and caring for Owen, her flying in the face of convention, her lack of concern for what other people thought about her.  We also differed on whether the portrayal of Owen and Johnny accurately represented 11 year old boys' emotional maturity. Anne-Marie shared some of the canned "reader's group" questions at the back of her edition, which we felt reflected some cheap-o junior high school level English teacher type over-reading, finding symbolism underneath every rock (did the hail at Johnny's mother's wedding foreshadow her death by a baseball to the head). Yet, there did seem to be a lot of symbolism to examine—e.g. the armadillo's severed paws/Johnny's severed finger/Owen's arms; Hester's name. Several found Johnny's asexuality unconvincing and/or annoying.  We talked a good bit about religious ritual and how different scenes in the book related to biblical stories.  Owen's distinctive voice was enjoyed by some and an irritant to others—the device of using capital letters for his speech seemed to create problems in his lengthier monologues.  What did his voice mean?  Was it simply so that the children would listen to him? Finally, what was the meaning of the title—why was Johnny praying "for" Owen Meany, if, as the book implies, he was a saint of one sort or another, and presumably, not in need of any prayers.  (My explanation is that Johnny prayed for Owen the same way one would pray for faith, or love; at the same time, it was a petition.)
 

 
 

 

January
The Informant
Kurt Eichenwald
Not so much a recap as continued discussion
Sorry for missing the Jan. 30. I must confess I did not get past about page 50 in the book. The rather wooden writing style (periodic inserts of "lifelike" details such as "He carefully balanced the bag of fast food in his arms while opening the door" in order to novelize, and the trick of ending every third paragraph with a breathless "If only he had known then what he learned later!") was my main problem. An all-male cast of characters was another turn-off (too much like my life). Corporate greed was also way too depressing (again, too much verisimilitude). I should have, and would have, plodded on and I'm sure, reached the good part, but trial gave me an excuse (deposition transcripts in which the plaintiff referred to his biggest customer as "a little prick," and his girlfriend/sales manager complained about being forced to wear pantyhose to meetings made much more exciting reading anyway).

The general consensus on The Informant sounded positive, although I did not receive a real recap (if one is coming, I am happy to disseminate, but I didn't want to hold up the announcement of the next meeting, which I will attend!!! —Fran

*****

Except for the daily headlines about Enron/Anderson (Have you all noticed the almost daily front page bylines by Kurt Eichenwald this week in the NY Times? I guess we can all anticipate his next book, your choice of title. "The Fraudulent House of Cards" is the best I can come up with on short notice.), most of us who don't live in your world were both fascinated and disgusted at the arrogant, male-dominated world of ADM and its cronies and found "The Informant" to be a compelling read. We would have appreciated your first hand experience with the corporate world. For me, it certainly confirmed what those of us who came of age in the 60s thought and why we chose other professions. As it was, we spent much of our time discussing the psychological make up of Mark Whitacre, in particular, and bipolar disorder in general.  —Helen

*****

I wasn't able to attend the discussion about "The Informant." But I did not find it remotely compelling. While the story could have been compelling if it had shed some light on the motivations of the informant, it did not. I came across an explanation that articulates what I feel is the book's problem. Here it is:

"The difference between journalism and serious nonfiction is one of kind, not word count. In journalism, the details that underlie the event's newsworthiness establish the meaning of the story. The fire occurred at such and such a time in such and such a location, so many killed, so many injured, so many Americans if the fire occurred abroad, so many homeowners if at a resort location, so much property destroyed. Serious-nonfiction-book publishing, on the other hand, strives to wring meaning out of an event, meaning that transcends its details. The justification for a book on a news story is that time and reflection and some comparative research have given the author a subtler perspective on either the event itself or on how the event was perceived when it was news.

It often happens that a journalist doing a story is left with lots of unused material. So why not sweep up the newsroom floor and turn it all into a nice fat book deal? Because the story is still a journalism story -- its meaning still in the events themselves, not in the kind of distancing that introduces a new perspective."

This essay is adapted from Thinking Like Your Editor: How to Write Great Serious Nonfiction -- and Get it Published by Susan Rabiner, former editorial director of Basic Books, and Alfred Fortunato, freelance editor.

Eichenwald had a LOT of unused material. Did he add value to the story so that it merited a book? No.  —Clare

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